Message for all those young f**ks in Montreal who think they can say and do whatever they want without having to face the reality of natural and logical consequences for their actions, “FREDDY’ALBERTO VILLANUEVA IS DEAD-HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT CONSEQUENCE YOU DISREPECTFUL LITTLE PRICKS? IF YOU CAN’T STAND THE HEAT, STAY THE F**K OUT OF THE KITCHEN!”
While I’m sorry to hear that a cop was put into a position where he had to take down three people with gunfire, killing Villanueva, my heart doesn’t bleed for the victim. He’s a f**king idiot and his idiocy got him killed. Hopefully his death will serve as reminder to other punk-ass kids who have no respect for authority and the rights of others that, if they’re going to f**k with the bull, they’re going to get the horn.
That said, don’t the youth in Montreal look real mature today after rioting because one of “their own” was stupid enough to take on the cops. Lucky for those punks that I’m not a cop on the Montreal beat, otherwise I would be going out my way to round them all up. I be locking them up, and making sure they stayed locked up. The youth in Montreal and across Canada are a disgrace to society, and for far too long youth right across the country have been getting away with far too much. Enough already, make the motherf**kers accountable for their disrespectful authority, make them f**king accountable when they break the law, and if in your lifetime you feel frightened for your life from a punk ass kid like the one that was shot in Montreal, defend yourself and use whatever force you feel is necessary to alleviate that threat. It’s time to take off the kid gloves and make the little shits pay.
Freddy is dead because he obviously has issues with authority, which in this day and age is all too common among young people.
As far as I’m concerned Freddy was the maker of his own his fate. He could have prevented what happened to him. The cop did what he had to do. Maybe if Freddy did what he had to do so that he could live to take on authority another day, the cop wouldn’t have needed to pull the trigger.
I’m sure once he hear the full story, the only person who will be to blame for Freddy’s death, is Freddy and his mates.
By the way, if the violence in Montreal continues, send in the army. Take the f**kers out!
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26 responses so far ↓
1 Tommy_Jules // Aug 16, 2008 at 12:46 AM
F**K YOU. the kid was 18 F**KING years old, and yes he did act stupidly, yes he had no respect for authority, did he deserve to f**king die? The answer is no. Young people have no respect for law enforcement because we receive no respect from them. They don’t feel that they need to execrcise the professionalism that they are WELL f**king payed by our tax dollars to exercise, when dealing with youths. You tell me they would have shot at you in the same situation. Walk a mile in someone’s shoes and have som f**king respect for a dead man that was cut down before his prime by a poorly trained local cop who isn’t worth the bullets he fired, clearly without considering the consquences, who will guarunteed walk away scott free with a guilt free concious.
Let’s just send a message to our youth that you either dodge the cops bullets, or join the force so you can get away with murder. That’s the message I feel I’m receiving every time I hear about another young person with no criminal record, usually a minority (coincidence?) losing his life at the hands of excessive force of the Police. F**king government gangbangers in my opinion.
Oh and by the way, the cop did much more than he had to do, have you seen pictures of this kid? He couldn’t have weighed more than 130 pounds. I could beat him down with my hands tied behind my back, and I’m not trained officer of the law. F**k you sir I hope you get shot to death for no reason and no one attends your funeral.
2 Canadian Gypsy // Aug 16, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Like I said Tommy_Jules, you f**k with the bull you get the horn.
Whether the kid deserved to die or not is irrelevant really.
When it comes to respect you get what you give.
I disagree that we don’t get respect from law enforcement, and I have had a lot of interactions with law enforcement officers from across Canada and not once was I assaulted by the cops, or shot at, though I did have 3 cops point their guns at me in Calgary in what was a case of mistaken identity. I did however happen to know the person they were looking for.
This isn’t about the cops, this is about gang members,their associates and youth from all walks of life who challenge authority because they think they can. They don’t need a reason to challenge authority, they just do because as far as their concerned a life of anarchy, running amok is fun. There is nothing fun about violence, civil disobedience, or whatever. There are always victims on both sides of the law, and when young people come to that realization, the safer it will be for everybody.
Life isn’t a game of f**k you, f**k this, f**k that, and it seems some people, especially in the teenage population think it is. That’s just stupid and uncivilized.
No matter how we look at it, the kid was the maker of his own fate. I’m sure if he had just avoided what was obviously a heated confrontation with an armed officer, showed some respect, he would be alive today and you and I wouldn’t be having this conversation.
One other thing, you don’t command respect as the youth of today often do, you earn it mate.
3 Tommy_Jules // Aug 20, 2008 at 1:59 AM
Cops shouldn’t be shooting 18 year old kids that don’t look threatening. PERIOD.
They could have done a million things besides shoot the kid. HOW CAN U STAND HERE AND SAY ITS IRRELEVANT WHETHER OR NOT HE DESERVED TO DIE? WHAT KIND OF PERSON ARE YOU!?
I don’t beleive we should live in fear of the Police. Should we be respectful? Yes, but as you said respect is earned and cops don’t want to earn it. Just becuase you happen to make a living as a police officer doesn’t mean people automatically should respect you.
I work a job where i have to treat all my clients with respect, why shouldn’t they? I didn’t get their respect the day i got hired, I earned it.
I’m 21 years old, I’m somewhat educated, I’m not a criminal, I can see the lack of professionalism that officers have when they deal with youth, I’ve seen them deal with older people and they treat them infinitely better.
We live in Canada not Cuba, yet law enforcement officials get away with WHATEVER they want when it comes to dealing with young people, especially poor ones of colour. If the cop would have warned him she was going to open fire I’m sure that he wouldn’t have gotten shot. This is their job, they’re payed well to do it, if I wanted someone to shoot at someone every time shit got a little out of hand, I could pay them 15 bucks an hour or so, not the 30 to 60 that cops make. At the end of the day neither of us were there so we can’t say what happened. As far as i know though, police aren’t supposed to shoot unless the suspect is armed, I could be wrong. I just can’t see how this officer could have felt in any way threatened by this skinny kid. She should turn in her badge voluntarily and and look into other career options. YOUTH ARE GENERALLY LOOKED DOWN ON IN OUR SOCIETY AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BUT NO POLITICIANS GIVE A SHIT BECAUSE WE CAN’T VOTE TILL WE’RE 18. Good day.
4 Canadian Gypsy // Aug 20, 2008 at 10:06 AM
18-year-old kids shouldn’t be challenging armed authority, that’s just stupid.
The argument is should the cops have used lethal force, not whether or not the kid deserved to die. The kid was the maker of his own fate. He could have complied but chose not to.
Your job, are your clients gang members? Are they volatile, prone to violence like gang members and their known associates?
The lack of professionalism when it comes to dealing with youth isn’t limited to the police force. Having worked with youth for a few years in Calgary and Regina, I can tell you that professionalism is lacking in every sector that deals with troubled youth, only those people aren’t armed.
Freddy wouldn’t have been shot if he had complied with police directives and made better choices. The cop did what she had to do, and I highly doubt when she unholstered her weapon her intention was to kill him.
Police if they feel threatened they can use force, in some cases deadly force, but as you said neither you or I were there so we don’t know the circumstances.
It was more than one kid too. There were three of them initially and then more youths arrived on the scene, but again I wasn’t there and my only source of information is the media.
If youth are looked down upon society why do you think that is, indulge me.
You have a nice day too. Looking forward to hearing from you again.
5 Tommy_Jules // Aug 26, 2008 at 2:49 AM
“18-year-old kids shouldn’t be challenging armed authority, that’s just stupid”
Kids challenge authority, that’s what they do, and they can’t teach themselves, adults have to, that’s their responsability as teachers, parents, community leaders, respectively. Doesn’t make it OK to shoot them. Taize, beat, arrest handcuff, sure, but 3 of them were shot, don’t you think that if there had been a warning of something that they would have backed off, noone wants to get shot. Again we weren’t there but to me, that’s what logic suggests, that it was a split second decision that was poorly made. I doubt that if I just saw my friend get shot that I’d do the same thing that just got him shot.
“Freddy wouldn’t have been shot if he had complied with police directives and made better choices. The cop did what she had to do, and I highly doubt when she unholstered her weapon her intention was to kill him. ”
I agree, but it still doesnt mean she HAD to shoot him, she probably could have beaten him down, he looked pretty non threatening. And when you shoot someone in Canada, that’s attemtped murder/manslaughter, what do you think is going to happen when you shoot someone?
“The argument is should the cops have used lethal force, not whether or not the kid deserved to die.”
I really can’t see any argument why she had to use lethal force, clearly a bad judgement call on her behalf. Do you think she feared for her life? Again, neither of us were there but do you honestly beleive she feared for her life? I’d like a yes or no answer.
If our cops can’t deal with a few rowdy teenagers, there’s a problem.
I think situations like these, and the lack of repercussion for police officers that use lethal force under questionable circumstances, is the route of that problem.
People, young people nowadays join the force not becuase they want to serve and protect, but becuase they want power and immunity, that’s what upsets me just as much, if not more than the fact that this young kid I’ve never met lost his life.
It’s the fact that the cop will definately get off scott free, just like every other cop that’s killed a young black or brown kid, or anyone for that matter. I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I’ve never heard of a cop being appropriately punished for abusing their power because they are protected by the system and eachother. Do you see my point? Obviously i agree that police have an extremely difficult job and are under a lot of pressure, but sometimes they are in the wrong and they are never brought to task.
That’s a HUGE problem that politicians are way too scared to deal with because of the cop vote, and before you know it we will have an extremely corrupt police force, if we don’t already. It happened in Miami when they had their big cocaine rush in the 70s and 80s, people thought more cops, not better cops, was the answer, next thing you know they have a 70 or 80 percent cooked police force.
It happened in many other major cities as well. It can happen in Canada, some say it already has.
I live in Halifax, a cop has jus been indicted for drving around drunk, off duty, in Digby, well outiside Halifax with 3 other cop buddies, and inciting a fight with a young black teen and hurling racial slurs. They got in a fight with 2 teens, and when the local, on-duty police arrived they tazed the kids instead of thier attackers. It was caught on tape. What the fuck. Completely seperate issue, but just an example of why people, especially young people, dont trust or respect the police. It’s not jsut the citizens that are at fault, but they are the only ones being held accountable. Police need to take the first step in creating a more positive relationship with the community. But they could give a shit because they’re not held acountable. Looking at the big picture, this needs o be adressed now.
“If youth are looked down upon society why do you think that is, indulge me.”
Youth in society are looked down on because of stereotypes in the media and sweeping judgements made because of a few bad apples. Your comment that the youth of Canada are a disgrace to society highly offended me. I feel like if anything society disgraces us with underfunded schools, and teacher, police officers and other authority figures that dont give a shit about us and have no respect for us or our potential.
I think I’m done talking about this subject but feel free to respond back, I’ll probably come read it.
6 Eric R. Aguilera // Sep 1, 2008 at 1:59 PM
I must say that I agree w/Tommy Jules. The unworthy police officers have become a threat to the eyes of teens. In every case, the police is the rock and, normal citizens are the egg. Whether the rock hits the egg or the egg hits the rock , the result is the same; the egg breaks. Without wanting to offend anyone, and forgive me if I do, the worst comments that I have heard about this case are made by caucasians that are not part of the youth age. It is really easy to discriminate when the person you hurt or the person that got hurt is not one of your own. If the case was about acaucasian kid, the hurtful comments of those caucasians would not exist. Maybe the older people from other ”races” would’nt care, but the youth would. That’s something that no one besides the youth of Montreal can understand. Most of us grew up with every other ”race”. Of course there’s been altercations but when something like this happens, we put our differences aside. I am 18 years old, and I can honestly say that no one should die that young, even a gangbangger. I met the subject once in a reunion of friends w/ alcohol involved 2 or 3 years ago. We were 15, maybe 16. That’s what most of us do. We become rebels towards authority :parents, teachers, family members and the police. It’s a phase, the rebel phase. Even if i’m in the middle of that phase and becoming a true adult, i know the difference. What we(teens) use to do was for fun. The desire of that fun doesn’t make any of us gangbanggers.We all get to learn from our mistakes. What makes this story even more sad is the fact that maybe he was beggining to understand from them, or maybe he will never get the chance.
Although we barely knew each other ,Rest in peace, Freddy Villanueva
7 Canadian Gypsy // Sep 1, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Tommy,
Kids challenge authority, that’s what they do? You’re right, but you challenge authority without disrespecting the laws we are all expected t o obey.
Freddy wouldn’t have been shot had the female officer who fired the shot didn’t feel threatened by him or the group of youths on the scene and in proximity. What do you suppose Freddy did that caused that officer to fear for her life?
Don’t you think the police didn’t warn them, and one would think that when they see officers with there guns drawn, common sense would kick in and they would comply? I have officers draw their guns on me, and obviously I’m still alive. Why do you think that is?
Lethal force- you don’t think that when you feel that your life is in danger you wouldn’t use lethal force? Please.
Are you even remotely aware of the seriousness of gang problems in Canada, let alone Montreal? This shooting can be directly tied to gang problem in Montreal, and whether or not Freddy was a gangmember doesn’t factor in, but he was associated with a gang was he not?
The cop won’t get of scott free, she will have to live with the consequences of her actions for the rest of her life. The shooting death will haunt her. I would be surprised if she has a long career in law enforcement. She killed somebody in the line of duty, don’t assume that she isn’t full of remorse and regret. She isn’t getting away scott free. That’s nonsense to think that.
Why is always about color? Everybody is quick to play the race card. It’s a cop-out, a lame and oft used excuse for those who can’t or won’t accept the fact that the shooting victim could have been the maker of their fate. Stop throwing the race card around, it doesn’t work. It hasn’t for years.
Politicians have nothing to do with this shooting, but they could do more when it comes to gangs, and strengthening legislation to make gangs, gang members and their associates. You want to blame somebody for Freddy’s death, blame the gangs. If it wasn’t for Freddy’s association with gangs, even if it was the slightest of associations, he would likely be alive today.
Montreal has a history of unruly behaviour with youth on the streets, gangs, hockey fans, blah, blah, blah. Montreal has a very uncivilized community at large, and mob behaviour and attitude is the norm. It’s been that way for years and that’s part of the reason I don’t visit there anymore.
You live in Halifax and you assume that you know what is going on in Montreal. Try living there for a couple of years mate and get back to me.
Eric,
Unworthy police officers? Hmm, the next time you need one maybe you should call somebody else, like a gang member perhaps.
The teens who see cops as a threat are those teens who are breaking laws. I challenge you to find any lawful teen who feels that the police are threat to them.
You have also thrown out the race card, and as I said it to Tommy, it doesn’t work. This shooting had nothing to do with race and if you don’t believe me ask the community leaders in Montreal.
The drinking age is eighteen in Quebec buddy, you flauted that law didn’t you. Why is that? Why did you deliberately go out of your way to break a law. Thank God you made it home alive. If something had happened to you, who would your parents have blamed, the person that supplied you with the alcohol or you?
You become rebels against authority because you think it’s cool, fun. You have a f**k you attitude and don’t mind beating up on people, committing acts of vandalising, intimidating people, etc., etc., etc. You think you are above the law, and to top it off when you get caught breaking the law you hide behind the now “revamped” young offenders act.
Being a gang member isn’t a phase. That is just stupid. Phase, you can’t be serious.
The only people who see the fun in going out of their to beat the shit out each other, sell drugs, shoot each other, intimidating the elderly, and breaking a whole host of other laws while they are still in their teens are those people who are anti-social little maggots who think they can do whatever the f**k what they want without consequences.
It’s like I said, you play with the bull, you get the horn. Freddy made his choices and now he’s dead. Don’t blame a scared shitless female police officer for Freddy’s fate. Freddy was the maker of his own fate, and at the end of the day the officer who was in fear for her life is alive and Freddy isn’t.
If you were in fear of your life and you had a gun in your possession you would use it, wouldn’t you.
It’s a kill or be killed society when we allow violence to enter and become a part of our lives.
Hopefully, the entire community learns something from Freddy’s tragic death.
May his death not be in vain.
Good talking to both of you. Stay safe and stay out of trouble, and if ever you need a cop to come to your aid, I’m sure you can count on them.
8 Eric R. Aguilera // Sep 2, 2008 at 9:13 AM
hahahahah you know, I think you didn’t get what I said. I met the guy. That means I lived there for 17 years 1/2 and im 18,dahh.
9 Eric R. Aguilera // Sep 2, 2008 at 9:59 AM
there are somethings that you don’t know, maybe because you haven’t seen them or lived them. How were you growing up? I know that you might not give a s**t about what I think but Do you seriously think that i’ll believe you never did anything that was wrong when you were young? (or younger) . It is true that there are many bad apples among our generation. Some say its the worst. Don’t forget that there are some bad and incompetent cops too .But I have to differ from what you say about The phase. Maybe I wasn’t specific when I said that Most of us get over it. I won’t say I know something for sure if I haven’t seen it. I know a lot of people in Montreal, and almost everyone of them have a bad past but they got their things together by the end of their 17 years of life. I’m aiming for maturity. Not everyone is mature, and not everyone matures at the same passe. I would never be on the side of someone who attacked an innocent. It includes any of my friends and former friends. If some jacka** comes and hits you , aren’t you going to defend yourself? In many cases, the gang conflics start because of the group’s idiot provoking a rival, then revenge, then the revenge of the revenge..etc… There are some incredibly stupid gangbanggers that attack people for no reason, even elderly; I would be happy if they got locked up for life. But the fact that because you have friends in gangs doesn’t mean that you’re part of it. I know that the ones who owe fear the justice. If they didn’t do anything wrong they shouldn’t fear the police, in that i agree. For minor things like underage drinking, we barely get a slap on the wrist, so of course teens don’t care for that. The worst that happens if they get caught, is that the officer tells you to empty the bottle in the sewer canals. Its really no big deal.
canadian gypsy,
how old are you? , What part of Canada are you from? have you ever lived in MTL? and are you caucasian? The reason of my questions is that I would like to know what you have against the idea of Freddy V. that you would almost be thankful to God for his death. I might be making a mistake trying to categorise you, but im curious.
Bonne journee, monsieur ou madame
10 Canadian Gypsy // Sep 2, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Ha!ha!ha!-The jokes on you Eric. Maybe you should read my response again. I was talking to Tommy, not you. I never mentioned anything about where you live in the response I gave your comment, which by the way can be found under the name Eric. Pay more attention to what’s going on and you’ll get along just fine in the world.
11 Canadian Gypsy // Sep 2, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Eric,
I’m old enough to know better. Lived in Quebec for a few years, frequented Montreal quite often back in the day when immigration wasn’t as big of a problem as it is today in Canada.
While I might wish the sick f**ks of society dead from time to time in Crooked in Canada, I’m certainly not pleased that Freddy is dead, though I don’t have any remorse over the fact that he died at hands of police officer who had a gun in her hand and feared for her life. Like I said, Freddy made a choice.
The colour of my skin, what difference does that make?
12 Eric R. Aguilera // Sep 2, 2008 at 4:33 PM
you’ll find this question funny since u have a sense of humor, are u a chick or a cross-dresser?
13 Eric R. Aguilera // Sep 2, 2008 at 4:36 PM
oh and you asked for the difference that it would make, the color of ur skin. if you read my anwser u would know : just curious.
(pls dont say , Curiosity killed the cat.)
ciao
14 Canadian Gypsy // Sep 2, 2008 at 6:11 PM
I’m a married father of two and we live in a part of Australia that is riddled with gangs, all of which use violence, robbery, and vandalism as a means to an end.
The gangs congregate at the end of my street under a bridge that crosses a river. I have had bottles thrown at my home and this past Friday we were victims of a home invasion by somebody who has an association with some of the gang members who hang out underneath that bridge.
Thankfully I was the only one that was hurt, but you should see the other guy.
We don’t know if he is still at large or not, but while he will not pay with his life, it is going to cost him dearly. By the way, if I had a gun I would have shot him.
While living in Calgary and Regina I had to interact with gang members from time to time as it was part of my job. No I wasn’t a cop, I was a youth worker in case you are wondering.
What colour do you think I am?
15 Tommy_jules // Sep 3, 2008 at 3:10 AM
OK, the only question that i have for you is that IF a proper investigation is conducted and IF it is found that the officer used excessive force, do you think she should be punished with jail time or desmissed from the force or somthing? We can’t sit here and argue about what might have happened that night. All I’m saying is that everyone needs to be held accountable for their actions. In my opinion, if she hadn’t of Shot Mr. Villanueva, she’d still be alive. Therefore she didn’t need to shoot him, he was unarmed and non threatening. If he had pulled a weapon I would have no problem with her desicion.
And I did live in Montreal for a year in a rough area, I’ve seen the gangs and the streets. It’s pretty much the same shit as any other major city. If a bunch of rowdy teens came up to me n started gettin crazy I’d run, or in her case call for backup, I wouldn’t open fire on 3 of them, as you like to simplify everything “that’s just stupid” and disrespectful to human life.
Do you at least agree that if cops are never held accountable for anything they do that we will have a major problem?
Your last long post made no sense to me, you seem to dodging questions and repeating yourself. I dunno why you even care you don’t live in this Country. Maybe if you spent less time blogging n more time trying to get your money together you could move out of that gang infested area. Where were our beloved cops when your hoe was invaded, let me know if they ever catch the guy, my guess is they won’t. They can’t apprehend my friend’s murderer but they fuck with me every chance i get. I’m a law abiding young person, and I feel like the cops want me to fear them. Use proper grammar next time you want to express your opinion, you might get your point across better.
16 Tommy_jules // Sep 3, 2008 at 3:15 AM
And also, I never once stood up for Freddy and his decision, but you are blindly defending this cop you’ve never met. I think you would take the police’s side in any situation, which makes your opinion biased.
17 Eric R. Aguilera // Sep 3, 2008 at 5:33 AM
I’m sorry to hear that your house was invaded by criminals. I think I now understand your position. I’m sure if my family was in danger I would shoot too, but if I could focus on not killing the person, I would aim at his knees. I’ve heard about cases that cops do that to keep away the person or from letting them escape. While you were doing your job, did you ever believe that one of those kids in gangs could change his life? Did you ever believe that one of your patients had hope? Did you get to see one of them change?
The anwser to your question is , that I think you might be caucasian , but at this point i guess it doesn’t matter because I understand that your opinions are not focused on ethnic prejudice.
take it easy
18 Canadian Gypsy // Sep 3, 2008 at 8:08 AM
Tommy,
Absolutely Tommy, if a thorough investigation is done and the officer is found to have used unnecessary or excessive force then by all means she should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
I agree that we all should be held accountable for our actions, take ownership, but…
In your opinion she might be still alive if she hadn’t have shot Villanueva, but we’ll never know. Witness are going to tell different stories, and at the end of the day it depends on who we want to believe.
The officer didn’t open fire, she drew and then fired her weapon as a last resort. As I understand it, several minutes had passed before the shooting had occurred, but what happened during those minutes neither you or I will know because we weren’t there and anything we do learn is third hand information. We all know how unreliable third-hand information can be sometimes.
If cops aren’t held accountable for their actions, then anarchy is the flavour of the day. Fortunately they are held accountable, but not always to our liking.
I’m not saying there aren’t “cowboys” on the police or that some cops don’t abuse their power, but I don’t paint them all with the same brush.
As for my grammar, sometimes I use spellcheck, sometimes I don’t. How about you? By the way, I made my point perfectly clear to you, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this debate, right?
You say I am blindly defending the cop. What about you, you were quick to villify her, and like me you never met the cop either, right?
Eric,
I’m caucasian, and when it comes to ethnic prejudice, well for me it’s neither here nor there. Racism has been an issue long before you and I arrived into this world, and people use racism to justify their or actions or anger towards human beings. We’re all guilty of it in some way, shape or form, but at the end of the day we’re human and we says things that we shouldn’t say.
Thirty-five years ago one of my best friend was from Pakistan, and in the schoolyard racist taunts towards him was an every couple of minutes occurence. I rose to his defense on many occasions, and spent a lot of time explaining my actions in the principal’s office for my actions while the kids throwing out the racial taunts were made out to be the victims. That was in Mississauga at Havenwood Heights, a very long time ago for me.
All the kids in gangs I came into contact with had potential to turn their lives around and it is my hope some of them did. I recall one Native kid who was on my caseload when he was 14, and about 6 years later he was sitting in my office after just having be released from prison. I would have never thought that he would go from being a youth on my caseload to an adult on my caseload but he did, and I blamed his parents. In fact quite often I blamed the parents for the way their kids turned out. I met some pretty effed up parents when I worked with kids, and as far as I’m concerned those parents should have been thrown in jail. I understand that we can’t always blame the parents for the way their kids turn out, but more often than not we can.
Morals and values are taught at very early age, though teenagers will develop some of their own . Violence is a learned behaviour, resentments have a lot to do with teenagers getting into trouble, and then of course there’s drugs, alcohol and peer pressure. There are a million and one reasons why the youth of today (not all of them) do the criminal things that they do, but the most telling one is because they get a slap on the wrist, get let off easy. That’s absolute bullshit. If you can do the crime, then you should be forced to do the time. This thing about kids not knowing the difference between right and wrong is bullshit too. My 7-year-old stepson knows the difference between right and wrong. Unless there are psychological impedements or some sort of psychosis that prevents a child from knowing the difference between right and wrong, that argument should be tossed aside. It’s rubbish for anybody to assume that most kids don’t know the difference between right and wrong and therefore should not be held accountable for their crimes.
You take care of yourself too Eric, and continue to make good choices in your life because as we all know those choices can mean the difference between life and death sometimes.
To clarify: I am not happy that Freddy Villanueva is dead, and I’m not happy that it was a cop that took his life, but if Freddy and the cop made better choices none of this would have went down.
19 paul // Sep 10, 2008 at 4:09 PM
those stupid boys were beating a female cop…
they were going to beat her to death…
thank god her partner was able to blow those
little f**kers away…
I’m surprised that somebody hasn’t gone up to montreal north with flamethrowers
and burn that human garbage out…
Message from CG: Sorry Paul, as much as I wanted to approve your comment “as is”, I had to edit it a little. I uhderstand what you were saying though, what you meant, but even I don’t use certain racist adjectives.
That said, I’m a proponent for vigilantism when it comes to crime on the streets of Canadian cities. If the cops don’t have the resources to take on ethnic gangs, or are unwillingly to take the fight against them one step further, then I think the community needs to step in and help. While violence begets violence, sometimes the end justifies the means especially if we are left with no other choice when it comes to taking on the “hoods” walking Canadian streets.
The way I see it, we should be taking the fight to the gangs, kind of like Charlie Bronson did with his character Paul Kersey in Vigilante. I think that’s the name of the movie. Again, sorry for editing your comment.
20 Tommy_Jules // Sep 11, 2008 at 9:32 AM
OK, Take a look at this.
to respond to your statements I’ve taken some quotes from a statement issued by the Collective Opposed to Police Brutality (COBP)- Montreal:
Canadian Gypsy: “Tommy,
Absolutely Tommy, if a thorough investigation is done and the officer is found to have used unnecessary or excessive force then by all means she should be prosecuted to the full extent of the lw.”
“As per usual, the Montreal police (Service de police de la ville de Montréal, SPVM) and their union (Fraternité des policiers et policières de Montréal, FPPM), in complicity with the Quebec Provincial Police (Sureté de Québec, SQ), will do all they can in their power to clear the police officer that unjustly killed the youngest son of the Villanueva family. It’s unacceptable that police investigate other police officers in such sensitive cases. Police organizations are in solidarity with each other, which is not difficult to prove. During a press conference organized by COBP in 1996, a former SQ investigator, Gaëtan Rivest, confirmed tampering an investigation to the benefit of Dominic Chartier (a Montreal police officer who killed Yvon Lafrance in 1989). He explained that such practices are common within the different police services in Quebec . So, it’s not shocking that killer cops are systematically cleared by their colleagues.”
How can there ever be a fair investigation? Do you believe everyone is being held accountable for their actions? I don’t.
Canadian Gypsy: “I agree that we all should be held accountable for our actions, take ownership, but…
In your opinion she might be still alive if she hadn’t have shot Villanueva, but we’ll never know. Witness are going to tell different stories, and at the end of the day it depends on who we want to believe.”
“The death of Freddy is part of a long history of repression, abuse and brutality by the Montreal police. What happened is unjustifiable. The police know that they committed an enormous error. They are trying to hide the facts, speaking of twenty youth, when eyewitnesses assert that there were five or six. The police say they were attacked when witnesses assert that they saw no direct confrontation between the police and the group of youth. Four bullets were shot at youth who were not armed and who were reacting to a scene of police brutality that was happening in front of their own eyes. We can’t be surprised that people have no confidence in the police and revolt.”
I don’t think I need to speak any further on that.
Canadian Gypsy: “If cops aren’t held accountable for their actions, then anarchy is the flavour of the day. Fortunately they are held accountable, but not always to our liking.”
“The police officers involved in the Saturday evening incident have yet to be questioned, although 30 other witnesses have so far been questioned. This manner of proceeding clearly shows the lack of transparency and impartiality in the investigation led by the SQ. If we trust previous experience, we can expect that this investigation will end by clearing the accused officers. Previous history shows us some facts from which to draw some lessons. Of the 43 cases documented by COBP, only 2 police officers have ever been charged (Alan Gosset who killed Anthony Griffin in 1987 and Giovanni Stante who killed Jean-Pierre Lizotte in 1999) and they were both acquitted. As for the so-called “transparence” of the SQ investigation, we can’t count on that either. In the Mohamed Anas Bennis case, killed on December 1, 2005 by police officer Yannick Bernier, the investigation report has still not been made public more than two-and-a-half years later.”
Like I had stated earlier, I didn’t have the numbers in front of me, but no cops are ever punished for killing people. As you said, it depends who want to beleive, but in this case, numbers don’t lie.
One thing’s for sure. We can’t trust the police’s version of the story. When an ordinary citizen is suspected of murder, manslaughter, hell any crime for that matter, theirs is the last story anyone believes. Still don’t think cops are above the law? Yes or no answer please.
Good day.
CG’s response:
Tommy,
Give me a break Tommy, now you’re just f**king around for the sake of f**king around now. The one good thing (going by comments) is that I was able to provoke you into a debate about this and you made it clear where you stand, as did I.
That said…
You made your point, I published it and responded on several occasions making mine.
While you have made some valid points, we will never agree on whether the force the police officer used was justified, but at the end of the day you and I both know that if you are going to play with the bull you are going to get the horn.
Freddy won’t be the last gang member or associate taken down with a bullet whether it be a rival gang member or a cop that shoots said gang member.
Best regards,
CG
21 Tommy_Jules // Sep 11, 2008 at 9:47 AM
Oh and I wanted to respond to these comments too:
CG: “You say I am blindly defending the cop. What about you, you were quick to villify her, and like me you never met the cop either, right?”
She killed someone man.. that’s a crime. So yeah, I’m villifying her. Anyone else shoots someone, they would be too.
CG: “if Freddy and the cop made better choices none of this would have went down.”
Thank you. That’s really all I’ve been trying to say. I think we finally agree on something.
CG’s reponse:
Tsk, tsk, tsk Tommy, she shot somebody in self-defence, that generally isn’t a crime. You should consider educating yourself about Canadian laws and statutes. It’s interesting stuff.
You have not been saying “if Freddy and the cop made better choices none of this would have went down,” you have been on a rant about a cop who shot somebody who was threatening to cause her physical harm. That’s just wrong man. What would you do if somebody was threatening your life or more than one person was threatening your life, and you just happen to have a gun? Would you pull the trigger? I bet you would, you would be stupid if you didn’t.
Good to hear from you again Tommy. By the way, you have yet to answer the bigotry question I left for you in Hubpages. What’s up with that bro’?
Best regards,
CG
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23 dwindspear // Dec 10, 2008 at 5:14 AM
I think that you people are all pathetic, almost as pathetic as the Montreal cops, who live in their lilly white suburbs, watch too many american cop shows, and come into the city with their guns and bullhorns. If you had ever bothered to listen to an eyewitnesses, Fredy was just walking over to talk to the cop, when he freaked out and unloaded his chamber. I have a friend that lives in that neighborhood, and he told me that when he called the cops once because a group of black guys were fighting, they didn’t respond. They’d rather blow away unarmed teenagers. As far as respect for authority in concerned, I think that you all should put your money where your mouths are, and enlist in the army, like good Canadian cannon fodder, and go and get your butts blown off in Kandahar in order to protect Afghan drugs lords…
CG says
Funny isn’t it, how everybody seems to be forgetting that the cops were attempting to arrest somebody when the mob like scene occurred. Maybe if people would have minded their own damn business and let the cops do their job Freddy would be alive today. What do you think?
24 DALE EFFIN MILLER // May 11, 2009 at 10:04 AM
wow dude. i have respect for the majority of officers in canada. but dude honestly, if you are sticking up for the cop who killed fredy. dude you need a lesson. Cops have numbers of ways to deal with people. such as a taser(which is becoming another way of killing). why wouldn’t the cop use a taser or call in for back up? many ways could have been done to avoid this happening.
cops man.So many of them corrupt by racial profiling and shit. i have seen proof of them. For example on facebook i read a cops status saying “22 hours. Can’t wait to beat in some hippy’s heads”. man it’s ridiculous. Think about it. If protesters were to stop protesting….who would know about all this shit gonig down with cops? If they were to stop…. shit would still happen. kids would still get killed and brutalized. It’s just the way of the officers dude. Cops are corrupt.not all of them.but many.
You wanna disagree with me? send me an effin email. miller_lite@ymail.com
25 CG // May 11, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Gee DFM,
A lesson huh, and how do you propose to give me that lesson?
Since you seem to know so much about cops, maybe you should become one, or is that kind of thing beneath you?
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